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Stacie: Right. There was only one side effect that I experienced during that whole time. And I had had a long standing toenail fungus on one of my feet and it healed, it got better.
I no longer have that. And that had been something that was just like an accepted part of my life that I had that. And it was just, that was the best side effect I've ever gotten from any course of treatment that I've done before.
Dr. Kyle Warren: And that's one reason I really like doing the herbs is I think they're just not as toxic as doing these high dose antibiotic therapies, that create yeast infections and some other issues. So I think once it's chronic and once it's in your nerves, I'm really convinced that the herbal protocol is really the best, the most effective and the least toxic at the same time.
Because we didn't do more antibiotics. You'd already done quite a bit, we didn't do more.
Stacie: No, and that was something that was a priority for me. That was something that was important to me because I had gone through a couple different courses of antibiotics and it wasn't helping. It would help maybe for a short time, but then things would kind of snowball again.
And so it was important to me to find a practitioner that wasn't going to necessarily focus all of the treatment on the antibiotics. I felt like with your treatment, you listened and you understood, which was really important, but then you gave me options and you showed me the research. Like, here's the research.
It just allowed me to really trust the treatment and knowing that I'm not crazy for having all of these things happening and stuff.
Dr. Kyle Warren: That's something for many people, I think because they've been to so many doctors and Lyme's considered "controversial," even though there's more research on it now than there's ever been, people are still two thirds more likely to have a doctor dismiss them and say it's all in their head than to find that it's Lyme. And for you particularly also, we try to highlight it's not just Lyme, it is these co-infections, Bartonella, Babesia, and for you particularly Anaplasma was a huge part of actually getting you better. And one of the reasons, actually probably the biggest reason I'm convinced some of the people who were trying to help you before were actually over-focused on the Lyme and were missing some of the co-infection pieces.
I think these co-infections was what was keeping, protecting the Lyme and really preventing you from healing with some other protocols was that they did not see or emphasize how these co-infections really interplay and protect Lyme. So you can't, so despite trying to get the Lyme since they didn't have the co-infection piece, it didn't work for you previously.
Stacie: The other thing that was a difference for me was that it was like a whole body approach. And we looked at nutrients, we looked at sleep, exercise, lifestyle, and not just, you know, looking at nutrients in a casual way, but like which of these are really getting in your body and working and what is that balance in there? It gave me a much clearer picture of my health.
You know, as I'm getting older and stuff, my health can be more complicated, but to actually have like a clear picture of what was going on, it just, the biggest thing was that it gave me faith that I can be healthy. That it wasn't just, you know, a magical thing that's bestowed upon you. It was like, there are things that we can look at and that we can work with.
And now I believe that I can be healthy. Yeah.
Dr. Kyle Warren: Yeah. Part of helping with Lyme is trying to 'attack the bugs' while trying to help your immune system. But some of it's just trying to help your body be healthier and get the raw materials so your body can repair and function for nerves and mitochondria, etc., etc.
And that's a big part with everybody, but also with you, because you'd been sick, how many years, Stacey, were you sick from? When did it start? I know it was a long time...
Stacie: Yeah. It had been four years. And then, you know, a couple of years of going through the healing process with you.
So it was a big chunk of time and lots of things, you know, were happening in life as they do.
Dr. Kyle Warren: Yeah. Life doesn't stop!
Stacie: No, it doesn't stop. And I found myself becoming a caregiver for my mom and I am me again.
Dr. Kyle Warren: You know, that's really our goal, is that you're healthy enough to go live the parts of life that you're called to go do.
Stacie: During that whole process that I was working with you, I did feel supported as well, because there were videos that you would send out that were educational, growing my understanding of what I, you know, was working with and just your support staff in the office. It was made easier for me, you know, to get my supplements. And, you know, if I had any issues, they were, everything was dealt with promptly.
And I felt like the channels of communication were always open!
Dr. Kyle Warren: I am so thankful to have some amazing staff that really help. Because we found... some of it's the doctoring, but some of it's just the logistics of, getting communication back to you in a timely way and keeping it organized and troubleshooting any problems if they should arise once again in a timely way. And so that's a very important part of helping people get better!
Stacie: I knew what was going on every step of the way. So it was nice to have those options.
Dr. Kyle Warren: One of my goals is that I think if you understand it, it becomes less confusing and it becomes less scary and people are more successful. So we think at least learning the basics and learning the concepts help people follow- through better. When (patients) don't know... there's more fear.
We think just knowledge helps you make better choices.
Stacie: I also felt like I was part of a team. Like I felt like we were working together. I wasn't just being treated.
I participated in all of it. And it was something that we were doing together.
Dr. Kyle Warren: And- Yes, because you are the expert of your own body. So I need your input to be successful because everyone's protocol is a little different. The concepts are there for everyone, but I need to go in, how do you feel with this?
And how do the tests change? And how do your symptoms change? Because if we're not, if we're just doing a standard protocol and we're not adjusting it for each person, I don't think we're gonna get the same results.
And that's where we take the basic concepts of a protocol to help you, but then we have to go, "okay, and how's it working in Stacey?" And what adjustments do we have to make for you? And I think if you're not doing that as a doctor, it's more difficult (to be effective).
We tell people "one-size-fits-one." Yeah, so we need this. You take the basic concepts, but you really have to make sure you're customizing it for the one person in front of you.
And I felt like that was our goal with you. And I'm so glad now to be seeing you healthy and living life!
Stacie: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Dr. Kyle Warren: Well, thanks so much for sharing this. Is there anything else you'd like to share with people who are maybe sick and seeing this and just feeling down that they're unwell? Anything you would like to say to them?
Stacie: Hang in there. There can be health along this journey that it really is possible. And just believe in yourself and work with Dr. Warren. Things can truly, truly, truly get better. 
Dr. Kyle Warren: Thank you so much, Stacey.
Stacie: Thank you. All right, appreciate it! Thanks, Dr. Warren!